Faculty member Albert Fernandez joins us in this entry:
Most of what is
said in Shimer classes is, of course, said live and for the most part lost to
posterity. It's not easy to have an idea
of what Shimer discussion is like unless you enroll or visit a class. But we
also have cyber-exchanges, mostly by e-mail.
As a sample, below is such an exchange between one of my students, David
Brault, in an upper-level course called Philosophy and Theology ("Hum
3"), and myself.
The immediate
context is class discussion of concepts that are sometimes claimed by
philosophers or religious thinkers to be innate and to refer to transcendent
realities--the concepts of God and of the Good are prime examples. The more modern idea, mostly attributed to
John Locke but originally articulated by Plato, is that all ideas are derived
from experience and culture.
David writes:
Check this out: these two sites trace the history of the word "good" back to its original status as a word describing something actually physical, and then applied metaphorically to get the moral senses of the word.
http://web.archive.org/web/20080626165353/www.bartleby.com/61/roots/IE155.html
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=good&searchmode=none
"THE GOOD" is actually a metaphor related to the
idea of being physically complete, taken over to mean complete in other senses
too--
The prehistory of the word God has little relevance to the
idea of a cosmic god:
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=god&searchmode=none
The prehistory of the word "justice," just to
round things off:
http://web.archive.org/web/20080701024909/www.bartleby.com/61/roots/IE601.html
What is just is what is.... lawful. What is lawful is
what... your culture's laws are. How would this all be explained form-wise [in
terms of Platonic form]? If you believe
in Forms wouldn't there be an understanding of what these concepts are from the
dawn of time, as they would not be metaphorically constructed concepts?
David Brault
And my response:
In answer to the
question at the end of your message, I am channeling Plato, who says through me
that, yes, the form of justice was present in human minds before there was any
law, and indeed made it possible to conceive of law, even if that happened long
before anybody had a concept of justice. Justice is a form older than the
concept of justice or the concept of law, and is indeed the condition of
possibility for thoughts of either law or justice.